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Should you try shooting sports?

 Many people who get interested in guns and start shooting soon find out that there are a number of shooting sports out there. A lot of those shooters wonder whether that kind of shooting is for them. Maybe they’re not good enough? Maybe it’s only for the really hard core shooters? Maybe it’s super expensive? Maybe you have to be invited, or know a member of the club, or be former military? Do you have to be a really competitive person to enjoy it? Should you delay getting into the game until you are “good enough”? This post is intended to answer some of those questions. The short answer is that if you’ve been shooting long enough to safely handle a gun around others, know how to generally operate your firearm(s), and can hit where you are aiming at least some of the time, you can start playing shooting sports. At least in the United States, that is – the barriers can be higher in some other countries. But there are robust competitive shooting communities in a lot of countries around the world, including most of western Europe and other places you might not expect. Let’s run down some of the reasons people delay or avoid trying their hand at a gun game. 
• I’m worried I’m not good enough.” Good enough to WHAT? To win? You’re NOT. Not good enough to WIN against people who have been playing these games for years. But that’s OK. Nobody would expect a new guy or gal to show up and win. What competitive shooters care about in terms of the new participant is: safety; attitude; safety; willingness to learn and help; and safety.
OK, you get it. By and large, when a new shooter shows up to a match/game/field/whatever, the existing players don’t wonder “how good is he going to be?” They wonder “how safe is he going to be?” If you are a safe gun handler, you’re about 85% of the way home. If you’re interested in learning about the game, generally pleasant to be around, and, if needed, willing to lend a hand to keep the match going, chances are really, really good you will be welcome REGARDLESS of how you shoot.
• “I just want to wait until I’m a little better.” Guess what? No matter how long you wait (or practice on your own), you’re probably not going to get good enough to show up and dominate out of the gate. Do you think you’ll get better faster by practicing alone, in isolation, with no learning sources except youtube and a subreddit? Or by meeting lots of really experienced shooters, getting to watch what they do up close, getting to ask questions of them, getting objective feedback on how you’re doing, etc.? Right, the latter. Wherever your shooting skill is right now, if you start competing tomorrow, you’ll be a better shooter this time next year than if you wait and start competing in a year.
• “I’m not really a competitive person, and I don’t like super competitive people, trash talking, people trying to wager, etc.” Don’t worry. A lot of people who shoot the gun games do it because they LOVE TO SHOOT and gun games offer the most interesting shooting challenges… not because they feel the need to dominate others. There are actually relatively few intensely competitive people in many of the gun games – and they’re not going to be trying to flex on the new guy or gal. Sometimes you’ll overhear some good natured ribbing among friends, but shooting sports people are overwhelmingly encouraging to others while being very hard on THEMSELVES. There are lots of people who have shot for years and never won a darn thing. But they’ve made a lot of friends, learned a lot, had a lot of good times, etc. Competitive outcomes are secondary for a LOT of people.
• “I’m worried it’s too expensive.” OK, this one does have a tiny kernel of truth, depending on the game. There are a small number of gun games where even the entry level gear is pretty expensive, but in most gun games the gear is either not that impactful on outcomes or there are equipment divisions that keep things under control and create some relatively inexpensive options. If you’ve got a service-grade/field-grade gun, chances are good there’s some game you can use it in where you’re not just taking a tricycle to a motocross rally.
The more significant aspect is that people who get into gun games tend to shoot a lot. You will find shooting in games is more fun than static range work, so you’ll want to shoot matches. You’ll also want to improve (and you’ll have good ideas and information about how to do it), so you’ll want to practice more. It varies by game, but if you fall down the rabbit hole on, for example, USPSA, you might end up shooting 10,000 rounds in a year and be far from the highest-volume shooter in your immediate circle! But that’s self-directed/driven. If you can afford to shoot 500 rounds a month for the pistol games or the shotgun games, or half or a quarter of that for the accuracy-oriented rifle games, you can play and make progress. But you will end up spending more on ammo. That’s one reason so many competitive shooters take up reloading!
• “I’m worried my gear isn’t legal.” Possibly. But it’s probably legal for some game, or can be traded for other gear that is legal. Although plenty of people get into competitive shooting and end up buying specialized competition gear (guns and other stuff), most gun games don’t have a whole lot of crazy rules designed to keep people OUT. Most of the gear rules are to control stuff that would be a competitive advantage, not set some minimum floor of baller-ness. In my preferred game (USPSA), you can rock a Hi-Point if you want… but not a binary trigger.
• “Do I have to be invited?” In the United States, generally the answer is no. Most of the more popular games are open to anyone who pays the appropriate match or other fees, agrees to abide by the rules, is legally allowed to possess firearms, etc. That goes even for a lot of matches that are held at otherwise-private, member’s-only facilities. The national governing organization for most of the sports will help you find local matches/events and contact information for the people who run them. You can then easily email, call, or message those local folks, and they’ll be happy to tell you if the match is open to the general public – chances are very, very good it is, and that they will want you to come!
• “I’m worried I won’t like anyone, and they won’t like me.” There are no guarantees, but the minute you show up, you’ve got a big plus in your column – you’re also someone interested in guns and maybe the game everyone else there already loves. In most of the gun games, there is quite a bit of standing around and talking, and you’ll get to know people quickly – but because there is a game going on, there’s no painful small talk. You can just talk about the sport! It’s super easy social interaction, even for introverts. “I’m worried it will just make going to the square/lane range kind of boring by comparison.” That one’s true, just like scuba diving the great barrier reef makes swimming laps in the pool kinda boring.
So if those are the big reasons for people not to try shooting sports, what are the reasons to try it?
• It will make you a better shooter. • It will make you a safer shooter. • You will almost surely make new friends. • It will launch you on a new hobby and journey of discovery.
“Eh, I’m still on the fence.” OK. Go watch one of the gun games. Most of the sports are perfectly happy to have people watch a match and talk to participants. These aren’t really big spectator sports, but most of us will gladly explain what’s going on, what gear you need, the basics of the rules, etc., to someone who shows up and is just curious.
“OK, that sounds kind of interesting in the abstract… how do I know which game to try?” That’s another post. If people want it, I’ll be happy to post that, too, in a few days.
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Student Loan Default: The Guide (ReUploaded)

NOTE: I'm pasting this guide from where I originally found it, over on Studentloandefaulters. It was originally pasted there from someone who found it after the original was deleted.

Student Loan Default: The Guide (reuploaded)

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The original guide that was recently deleted here: https://www.reddit.com/studentloandefaulters/comments/cg1fd7/student_loan_default_a_guide/
I take no credit for this post, just happened to have it saved in a document and thought I'd be doing an injustice by not sharing this information once I saw the original post was missing! All credit goes to the original author, and without further ado...
Student Loan Default: A Guide
I’ve been wanting to write this for a long time, and seeing that person be in $500,000 of debt and no one really helping him on studentloans, I felt it was time to summarize everything I’ve learned. While there is great information on this sub, it is not centralized. It requires some digging. I hope now to bring all of it to the surface.
Definitions:
Strategic Default: When a borrower realizes that he or she can spend less money by not paying a loan. The borrower waits out the statute of limitations and then either settles or waits the debt out.
Shills: People who are paid to prevent the spread of student loan default information
Statute of Limitations: The number of years your state requires before a debt can no longer be collected.
Cosigner: The poor person who is just as legally required to pay your loans as you are
Foreign Earned Income Tax Exclusion: A tax rule that states any US citizen can earn up to about $100,000 a year in another country and report their US taxes as 0.
Fraudulent Transfer: When a party tries to move assets to someone else in order to avoid a lien on their property.
Lien: Essentially when the government slaps a bill onto your property forcing you to pay off a debt before you can sell the property.
Income Based Repayment (IBR): Federal loans can be paid with 15% of your discretionary income (money earned after taxes) instead of a higher, unpayable amount
Aggregate Student Loan Limit: The total amount a student can take out before the federal government or a private lender stops authorizing new loans
Wage Garnishment: When a court forces your employer to take out a certain percentage of your paycheck to pay back a debt
Bank Levy: When the government or a court takes all of the money directly out of your bank account to pay a debt
Private Loans: Loans that originate from anyone but the federal government. These loans have a statute of limitations and less power but higher interest rates.
Federal Loans: These loans have no statute of limitations, the government can collect anything you earn to get these back, and they come with IBR which is manageable
Sallie Mae: The worst private lender on the market. They only offer deferment for four short years.
Forbearance: A period where you do not have to pay your student loans, but interest accrues.
Deferment: A period where you do not have to pay your student loans, but interest does not accrue.
Credit Score: A number that tells people how responsible of a borrower you are.
Student Loan Tax Bomb: After you have paid for 10 - 25 years on your federal loans, you are forgiven the rest. That is considered income by the IRS. You then add this “income” to your regular income for the year and pay the tax. It can be over $10,000.
Insolvency: When you are unable to pay your debts. This works well for defusing the student loan tax bomb.
Public Service Loan Forgiveness: If you work for 10 years at a government job, you can get your entire federal student loan balance forgiven. In 2019, the feds are making it near impossible to collect. This could change.
A note on cosigners before we begin: Look, your cosigner is probably going to be very mad at you. Prepare for your relationship to be strained. You need to try and get them on the same page as you, and I do offer a tactic here to at least shift all of the financial burden off of your cosigner below. If you decide to do any of these tactics without getting your cosigner off the hook, there could be more risk involved if you or your cosigners have a lot of assets.
Strategy
Student loan default is a strategy. And to have a good strategy, one must plan as much as possible. You have to know all of your options. While strategy is your overall game plan, tactics are the individual options you have to get your strategy accomplished. Below are the tactics that you can employ to beat the student loan companies.
Tactics
Paying Your Loans: [low risk] In the rare chance you have anywhere between $1,000 to $20,000 in federal student loans and you have completed your bachelor’s degree, you should probably just pay the damn loans. All you have to do is set up an auto debit and forget about it. It will be about 15% of your income. You really want to try and avoid consolidating if you can, because it will count against some of your IBR payments. You would also lose your grace period if you did this. At the end of 10 to 25 years, you will be forgiven all of the loan amount you did not pay. That forgiven amount is considered income by the IRS, so you will be put into a higher tax bracket. I would get an accountant when this comes. In your case, your tax bomb will be low enough where you could probably just pay it. If you want to really shake things up though, you are welcome to try either the Asset Creation Tactic or the Madlad Method below. Here is more information on Income Based Repayment: https://www.studentdebtrelief.us/repayment-plans/income-based-repayment-plan/
Default Private IBR Federal (Staying Put): [low risk] The standard strategy here on studentloandefaulters. As mentioned above, for the federal loans, it’s best to just IBR and automatically debit your bank account each month and forget about it. For the private loans, this is where the game begins. Your overall plan here is to default, wait out the statute of limitations in your home state, and either settle the debt for less than 30% or just hope they leave you alone and you don’t pay at all. From this moment on, whatever you would have paid for your private monthly bill, sock that money away. Once you go past 120 days of no payments, you are in default. This is where the phone calls come in. They will start to harass you. They will call your work, your cell phone, your cosigner, etc relentlessly. Most likely, they’ll start doing this before you get to default. As they call you, you can either just give them the cold shoulder or start immediately acting like you do not own the debt. Never admit that you own the debt. Tell them you think they are crazy and have the wrong person. Inform your cosigner to do the same. Once your loans are sold to a collection agency, wait until they call you and ask for verification of the debt. If they do not provide it, you won. Chances are, they will be able to verify it, so just make sure you never admit to the debt on the phone or make a payment. If you make a payment, you’ll reset the statute of limitations. Do not give them five dollars, two dollars, a penny. If they do sue you, show up for court. Get a lawyer if you can afford it. You have to show up to court, or they win automatically. Even if you don’t have a lawyer in court, you need to make them verify the debt. You could still lose here. If you do lose in court, go to my tactic of “The Cat and Mouse Game.” They are playing a numbers game, and if you are harder to sue than John Smith down the street, they may prey on him or her instead of you. Now, there are four states in the United States that do not have wage garnishment: Pennsylvania, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Texas. You could move there, and if you have barely any assets, you are considered judgement proof. This means you’re not worth the time to be sued, because you have nothing to take and cannot be garnished. Moving is hard, though, so that’s a personal decision. Also, from what I understand, if you do move to these states, you can switch your statute of limitations over to their states which may be less time until you cannot be sued anymore. If you do lose and just want to stop here, you could get your bank levied and you could be slapped with up to a 25% wage garnishment until paid in full Clarification: a lot of people do not ever get garnished, and bank levies are rare (they are non-existent on federal loans). Do not let this freak you out!. I repeat this is super rare and not likely to happen. Anyways, you have options at this point. If it does happen, try another tactic like leave the country or cat and mouse below.
Default Private Default Federal: [medium risk] Some of the wilder people have attempted to default on both federal and private loans in order to do a cash settlement. The same strategy above in Default Private IBR Federal applies, but realize that the US government could just step in and do an administrative garnish on you eventually. If you were living some sort of cash existence, you could potentially avoid them and then write them a money order and settle for 30% or something. This way, you avoid the tax bomb and would probably pay a lot less interest overall. If you do this and it works, I would love to hear about it.
Cat and Mouse: [medium risk] So, you want to avoid getting sued or you lost a judgement? You don’t have to sit back and take it. u/nowaysalliemae has successfully avoided being sued by essentially going on the run. You see, to be sued successfully, they need to know where you work. If you get sued, move to another state, and switch jobs, they have to do the entire process over again! This means find you, verify the debt, sue you, etc. You can essentially do this until your statute of limitations runs out. And then, you dispute the debt on your credit score. They take it off at that point, and you just saved a lot of money. I decided to put this as medium risk, because moving around a lot would require some luck. Especially since you would need to work wherever you go, there are a lot of moving parts here. I think it is totally doable, and if you are an adventurous personality type, it could be a lot of fun. This only works for the private student loan side, because the US government has a lot more power. You would still IBR your federal loans on this tactic. For more information, go through nowaysalliemae's post history.
Leave the Country: [medium risk] What if you want to avoid all of this altogether? Do you want a reset button on your life? You can just leave the country and start over. Seriously. Your credit score does not follow you across countries. The federal government cannot garnish your paycheck if you work internationally. You are not a criminal doing this. Furthermore, there is something called the Foreign Earned Income Tax Exclusion. Since you will still IBR your federal loans on this plan, as long as you make less than $100,000 in another country, your US income is zero. This means you just got a free education while you make money in another country. Once you pay zero for 25 years, you will have to defuse your student tax bomb. Tactic Below. Private companies do not stand a chance here. There are countries in the commonwealth such as Australia and Canada that are more willing to take you in if you meet certain requirements. You could teach English at a bunch of places. You could apply for residency at these places or be a perpetual tourist. A perpetual tourist is someone who essentially moves to a new country, goes to a neighboring country for a weekend, and then goes back to that new country they are trying to start a new life in*. This in no means you have to go back to the U.S. Ever. For example, you want to live in Panama forever, every 90 days, you take a weekend trip to Nicaragua. You come back to Panama after the weekend is over and get another 90 day pass. Rinse and repeat. This gives you another 90 days in your country of choice. If you make money on the internet, this strategy would work pretty well. You can just be a perpetual tourist or marry someone in another country and start a new life. This will not be a good fit for everyone, but there’s something exciting about this. If you are young, single, and restless, this could be the adventure of a lifetime. Here's more info on being a perpetual traveler and the FEIE: https://www.escapeartist.com/blog/perpetual-traveler-us-tax-code/
Suspend Payment Without More Debt: [low risk] So recently, it has been brought to my attention that there is a community college, Luna Community College (in Las Vegas, NM), that has tuition so low you could go half time all year for about 684 dollars. They have a small amount of associate's degrees. If you just want to stop paying without taking any more loans, this would be the way to do it. You could do this for many years. Luna Community College's tuition matrix: https://luna.edu/tuition_matrix
Convert Private Loans to Federal: [low risk] From this point on, these are my special tactics I’ve been thinking about. They might work really well for some people. So, you have a bunch of federal loans and a good amount of private loans. You don’t want to fight debt collectors or move around. Try this. This plan only works if you have a bachelor’s degree though. Anyways, there is a special loan offered by the US Federal Government called the Graduate Plus Loan. This loan is incredible, because there is no aggregate student loan limit. In other words, you can borrow as much money as you want here. Even a million dollars no questions asked. All you need is no delinquency or default on your credit report. If you do have these things, you can get a cosigner in on the plan. They won’t ever be responsible anyways because you will defuse the tax bomb at the end. This works to your advantage, because you could go back to school at the graduate level, get a diploma mill master’s degree online, use your room and board payment to start paying off your private loans ASAP. Just make sure you are doing whatever your school considers half time enrollment in order to avoid student loan payments while doing this. Once you’ve gone to school long enough and converted all of your private loans to grad plus loans, you could just go on an IBR plan. This will at least make your life manageable. You would have to defuse your student tax bomb once this is over. Tactic below.
Convert Federal Loans to Private: [medium risk] So, what if you wanted to go the opposite way? Maybe you want to convert all of your federal loans to private ones, default, and then leave the country? Hey, maybe there are reasons you want to hurry up the settlement process. You could essentially do the same strategy as above, but instead just borrow from Sallie Mae, Wells Fargo, etc until all of your federal loans are paid off. Then, either cat and mouse or leave the country. I don’t think a lot of people would find a use for this, but hey who knows?
Asset Creation Method: [high risk] What if you wanted to not just pay off your loans but get ahead in life? Maybe you feel like using your student loan debt to your advantage. Thanks to the work done by u/BinaryAlgorithm, you could really come out on top here. Remember those Grad Plus loans we were talking about? Well, there’s nothing stopping you from continually borrowing all year on these loans, investing the room and board, and acting as if you do not have the debt in the first place. While I had originally said that rental property does not count as income, I cannot find any documentation proving this. You can still invest this money however you want, and you just defuse the tax bomb at the end (if anyone can find that documentation, please let me know). I did find that rental properties offer a lot of ways to reduce your adjusted gross income (management fees, advertising, etc), and these could reduce your income closer to zero. We’re not done here. Moreover, you could get a job that qualifies for Public Student Loan Forgiveness, enjoy your investments, and then pay for the 10 years. Be sure to convert all loans to federal before starting this tactic. I only put this as high risk, because the whole plan falls apart if Grad Plus loans get capped. Will they? Probably not, because those are the loans doctors and lawyers take out to go to their professional schools. It would take an act of congress to change the way the law stands now, but still, you should know that. This plan spans decades, so a lot can change. Also, having this many installment loans may lower your credit score over a multitude of years, but based on what everyone has found out here, it's not by much. For more information, go to this subreddit's search bar and type in "aggregate" and go look at BinaryAlgorithm's two posts on the subject.
Defusing the Student Tax Bomb: [low risk] So lucky for you, I talked to an actual lawyer and an actual IRS agent about this. This is completely legal and doable. Okay, so you were a good person and paid your IBR for 25-30 years. What now? Well, you’re about to be hit hard with a tax bomb. All of that money that is now forgiven counts as income on your taxes. This could mean a bill in the tens of thousands if you combined this with any of the other methods here—or just borrowed a lot to begin with. Luckily for us, there is something called insolvency. This means you are unable to pay your debts, and there is a really simple formula for whether or not you are insolvent. As long as you have more liabilities than assets at the time of student loan forgiveness, you are considered insolvent. In other words, right before you are about to be forgiven, like year 24 out of 25, you would take out a loan on something. All you would need to do is buy a house, buy a car, or buy something with a huge price tag. As long as your liabilities are way higher than your assets (like aim for 100K or something more), you are considered insolvent and you don’t have to pay any of the tax bomb. Boom. The IRS agent said this is fine. The lawyer said this is fine. I cannot believe this is fine. Where could you get the money to borrow for a house? Check Asset Creation method above. You could always sell the asset after the tax bomb is dealt with. For more information on defusing the student loan tax bomb: https://lawyerist.com/defusing-student-loan-interest-tax-bomb/
Getting Your Cosigner Off the Hook: So 90% of us have cosigners based on some statistic I read. These people are going to pissed at you, because they get harassed. If you have a lot of time to plan your strategy out, you can simply convert all of your private loans to federal ones. They are no longer responsible. The plan is above. Check out “Convert Private Loans to Federal.” Furthermore, if you are attempting to go the default route with private loans, you could potentially get your cosigner off the hook by refinancing your student loans without the cosigner. After you refinance, you could just default then. You would need good credit and meet certain requirements for this. Also, if you plan on defaulting, you might want to get your cosigner to transfer their assets to their spouse or someone trustworthy. Even though liens are rare, this could give you some peace of mind. As long as about 3-5 years go by, this is no longer considered a fraudulent transfer. Your state will have certain rules about this. If you are from Florida, apparently houses are untouchable there. You will need a lawyer to plan the asset transfer. At the same time, you may not be able to get your cosigner off the hook. Make peace with that. Student loans are brutal, so all you can really do is educate yourself and your cosigner and hope you come out on top.
Madlad Method: [high risk] Now, here comes my personal plan. This is what I’m doing, because I want to live a life on my terms and not really work for anyone my entire life. I’m also not a normal person, so this will probably appear crazy to some or most of you. So at this point, if you understand all of the methods before you, you are a powerful player in the student loan circus. You can do anything from fight the man to maliciously comply and bankrupt the system while becoming upper-middle class. I don’t really care for any of that. I want to go to a tropical paradise and make music for 20 years, so here is my interpretation of everything. I have some federal loans and private loans. I net about 25K a year through the Grad Plus loans, and I work about 4 hours a week in the online classroom. I take that federal loan money, and I sock away a few hundred every month to save up for my private loan settlement in about five years. Since I save 300 every month, I’ll have about 18K in 5 years when I go into default. I will settle ASAP. At the same time, I will continue to go to diploma mill universities, get master's degree after master’s degree, and move to a Latin American country where the cost of living is even lower. This way, my 25K a year puts me in the upper class of that country. I can live where I want and really do whatever I damn well please for as long as the Grad Plus loans are around. As an added bonus, I will already be starting a new life in another country where I can make connections and maybe even get married. I studied linguistics, so I know how to teach English. I can do that if I want a source of income anywhere. So there is my plan, and honestly, one day we might get someone in office who just wipes out all of this debt anyways. If that’s the case, I can just play the waiting game until all of this is over. Here are the rules on adverse credit history and Grad Plus loans: https://studentaid.ed.gov/sa/sites/default/files/plus-adverse-credit.pdf
Final Thoughts: Defaulting on student loans is not immoral or a sin. It is a business decision. Everyone else gets bailouts, why should student borrowers be any different? You’re going to have to ignore the people who tell you why they think you should be a good little slave and pay your loans. Those people are not your friends. Those people are not on your side. Some of the best advice I ever received in life was you have to do what’s best for you. Also, if you have anything you would like to add to this or would like to challenge, please let me know. I want this to be as accurate as possible. I will be looking at this perpetually to make sure there are no errors. Take care. Good luck. You can do this.
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Gravity's Rainbow Reading Group | Sections 66-69 | Week 20

Alright, home stretch foax. This section's a beast. Hang in there and keep sharing your insights! All together now...
Section 66
"You will want cause and effect. All right." (663) What an opening - it's almost confrontational, mocking our need for clear narrative structure and causality.
We discover that Thanatz was tossed overboard in the same storm that sent Slothrop off the Anubis and off on his adventure with Frau Gnahb. Thanatz is rescued by someone even stranger - an unnamed Polish undertaker (think on the etymology of that word) who happens to be a lightening aficionado. I'll stop here and comment that, earlier, when Slothrop fell into the water before and after getting on the Anubis, it brought to mind the river Styx in Hades - another underworld. It washes clean one's identity and memory. Makes you forget who you are. And there's traditionally a ferryman, Charon, to help people cross it. Can't help but think that's who saved Thanatz here, carrying him from the land of the dead to the land of the unliving, the preterite detritus of WWII.
(An aside: Speaking of Styx, has anyone listened to Mr. Roboto recently? That song has some Gravity's Rainbow vibes.)
Our undertaker here is inspired by the Franklin myth and is trying to get struck by lightening in order to experience that "singular point, [that] discontinuity in the curve of life" (664) passing from a rate of change of positive infinity to one of negative infinity in the blink of an eye. Seems there's something of a conspiracy among those who have been through this point of infinite inflection - a secret society of lightening heads who are aware not of another reality but of a new layer of reality laid on top of our own. Insight into a higher level of reality, of hidden systems.
We get an example of the content of the lightning-aficionado's publication A Nickel Saved and it's supposedly full of coded messages for Those Who Know, each part being a veiled reference to other topics that contain the true meaning, requiring a true paranoid's ability to see (make?) connections. For example, there are repeated mentions of April, Easter, and Spring - the season of rebirth. To an Amperage Contest and lightbulbs failing - Byron the Bulb's attempts to strike back, perchance? A screen-door salesman - what is a screen door except a permeable interface?
But our undertaker isn't interested in secret knowledge - he just wants to be a better businessman - and he deposits Thanatz on the shore and rows back off into the storm. Here, Thanatz meets a group of 175s - men formerly imprisoned in the Dora camp for being gay - who have formed their own solitary community in this isolated section of northern Germany.
I suspect some of this imagery may initially shock readers - concentration camp victims who want to return to their prison? Who set up their own 175-Stadt to recreate the conditions of their imprisonment? But think about it - just last section, we saw Katje, someone who's been used and abused by those in power, balk at the thought of being truly free because she had become dependent on systems of control. She had integrated those control systems as part of her identity, her sense of self. "She needs the whip," Blicero wrote of her (662). Just like Katje, these men became so conditioned to depend on a system of total control and rigid social hierarchies that they don't know how to function without it. Their 175-Stadt doesn't seem like such a ridiculously dark, inappropriate caricature now, does it? Because isn't that a central point of this book - that everyone has been conditioned to need control, to need Their System, to not know how to function without it? Slothrop was our perfect everyman from within this system, and look at what it took for him to actually be free (and even then, the ideal of America still has a colonial outpost in his head). But in their 175-Stadt, these men at least control their system of control. They built it, they staff every level of it, and it's entirely under their control. An isolated state, separate from the broader System. But is there a ruler in this system, a king? No, simply the figment of Blicero. His name, his specter, looming over everything. A system of control with no real king? We've seen that before.
Not only that, but this micro-society is not based strictly on the SS command from Dora, but what the prisoners inferred about the rocket command structure in the Mittelwerke. So even their "recreation" of their imprisonment is an approximation of a different system. I'd also stop here to comment that, is this imagery really as ridiculous/insane as it first appears? I'd say no, since the queeS&M community absolutely took inspiration from Nazi uniforms as symbols of dominance and control, repurposing it into fetishwear. But then, as in this 175-Stadt, the control is by choice, as is the submission. As we've seen elsewhere in this book (Blicero's Oven-State), turning submission into a fetish can be a form of rebellion, since it subverts Their means of control (fear of pain) and turns it into a source of pleasure. Is it truly control if you're choosing it? Enjoying it? No one said this book asks easy questions of its readers...
Thanatz keeps looking for answers, and gets swept up amidst the vast swarms of preterite Displaced Persons being shifted across the zone. What's concerning is that these supposedly-free, albeit displaced, people, are shuffled without purpose across the Zone, with minimal food, water, or medicine, being "herded into wire enclosure[s]" and shipped around in freight cars, "deloused, poked, palpated, named, numbered, consigned, invoiced, misrouted, detained, ignored" (669). It's almost impossible to miss the painful similarity here to the treatment of Jews and other victims of the Holocaust. Only here the mistreatment isn't out of some pathological hatred, simply a system without a place for so many people, and without the committed resources to actually, effectively help them. The thought is unsettling, since we like to imagine that only Naziesque hatred could prompt such brutal mistreatment, not apathy.
Finally, he's rescued by the Schwarzkommando thanks to his knowledge of Blicero and the firing of Rocket 00000. Here, we learn a bit more about what happened that day. Looking into Blicero's eyes, he saw windmills reflected, though none were in the area. Another four-way mandala, like we saw last week with Slothrop. Thanatz isn't in great mental shape by this point, and he's beginning to equate Gottfried and Bianca both as his children. Why? Because he felt some sense of responsibility to them? Because he failed them? Either way, the Schwarzkommando learn all they need from him about that fateful noon on the Heath, though we do not. The section ends with a simple touch of hands between Enzian and Christian, a moment of connection, of trust.
Section 67
Man, how do I even start summarizing this complete doozy of a section? As Weissenburger writes, "In this episode the narration begins to fragment." (344) Ya don't say... Well, here goes.
We being one serious trip of a section with Slothrop, as part of a rather unimpressive team of quasi-superheros (the "Floundering Four") fighting against evil ol' Broderick Slothrop amidst the factory-state (a Metropolis-like iteration of the Rocket-State with movable buildings?!). Broderick, in the role of comic book supervillain, keeps trying to off Slothrop, but our hero has a lucky streak just wide enough to keep him alive.
Right off the bat, we see another image of the chessboard - the whole factory-state is laid out in a grid, and it's all A Game of Chess, as der Springer already informed us, and our movements are limited. Crucially, "Your objective is not the King - there is no King - but momentary targets such as the Radiant Hour." (674) How can you win at chess when there's no King? How can the land be restored and the cycle renewed if there's no King to die and be replaced?
Slothrop is joined by a truly slipshod lot: Myrtle Miraculous, the only one who seems to have actual powers; Maximilian, a suave Black club manager who can flow with all natural rhythms and thus able to navigate any scenario with ease, and Marcel, a mechanical chess player (an embodiment of the Mechanical Turk, but crucially, one without the hidden human operator. No hidden Grandmaster lurking inside Marcel here - nope, this android's the real deal.
This section includes one of my favorite quotes from the book: "Decisions are never really made - at best they manager to emerge, from a chaos of peeves, whims, hallucinations and all-round assholery." (676) I can think of several times where I've been able to relate to that scenario all too well.
Their chances for success and failure are equal, but these opposing odds don't cancel each other out - instead, the two opposing forces just create a "loud dissonance". The crew undertake some truly hallucinatory adventures through the Racketen-Stadt which I will not attempt to summarize, as that would be an exercise in futility. But we are treated to flashes of Slothrop, "Broderick and Nalline's shadow-child, their unconfessed, their monster son," (677) getting locked in an icebox, piloting a mobile building through the grid-streets of the factory-state like a giant chess piece. One line really jumps out at me, here, that I think is important: "Their struggle is not the only, or even the ultimate one. Indeed, not only are there many other struggles, but there are also spectators, watching, as spectators will do, hundreds of thousands of them." (679) Makes me think of the "glozing neuters," mentioned earlier - of the masses of people who are just trying to live their lives, neither part of any conspiracy nor actively aware of being subject to one. Must be nice. At the same time, the idea of other, simultaneous struggles, is noteworthy - it brings to mind the concept of intersectionality, and how people realizing their unique, individual struggles share common sources, and common traits, which they can work together to fight.
We end this sub-section in an arena for these exact masses, where our heroes are on a stakeout, with Slothrop in full drag waiting in the Transvestites' Toilet for a message.
You may be wondering about the multiple instances of cross-dressing, in various iterations, throughout the book. Slothrop in drag and Blicero in a wig and merkin come to mind. One aspect, I'd say, is that it reflects a blending of two (as far as society is generally concerned) binary opposites. A crossing-over, a transgression against the status quo and an option other than 1 or 0.
Eliot, in his Notes on The Waste Land, wrote,
"Tiresias, although a mere spectator and not indeed a 'character', is yet the most important personage in the poem, uniting all the rest. Just as the one-eyed merchant, seller of currants, melts into the Phoenician Sailor, and the latter is not wholly distinct from Ferdinand Prince of Naples, so all the women are one woman, and the two sexes meet in Tiresias. What Tiresias sees, in fact, is the substance of the poem." (Emphasis mine).
Cue Crutchfield the Westwardman's world of only one of everything. Likewise, the women in Gravity's Rainbow often blend together, share traits or imagery. So do the men. The joining of the two sexes in Blicero, as well as Slothrop here at the end, is significant.
The Low-Frequency Listeners
The introduction here of the character of Rohr, the Keeper of the Antenna, specifically as a Jehovah's witness, was odd. It's such a specific subsect of Christianity. Then we see - he heard a man on the radio, dying, asking for a priest. Rohr says, "Should I have got on and told him about priests? Would he've found any comfort in that?" (682). In what? I had to look it up, but when I did, it clicked - Jehovah's witnesses apparently do not have priests, because they are all ordained. There is no separate priest caste in their church, and thus no Preterite/Elect division. In this section, we also learn that the Nuremberg trials are getting underway.
Mom Slothrop's Letter to Ambassador Kennedy
You start to feel even more sorry for Slothrop as you realize just how terrible his parents apparently were. His mom cares enough to at least write another letter asking Ambassador Kennedy as to what the hell happened to their son, but her letter quickly devolves into drunken ramblings complaining about striking workers and managing to make an innuendo about Jack Kennedy while also dismissing her love of her sons. Oof. Maybe Otto was right with his conspiracy of mothers...
On the Phrase "Ass-Backwards"
An entertaining linguistic debate between Säure and Slothrop on American idioms, specifically ones involving a reversal, as in the case of "ass-backwards". The section then slips into a story of Säure, in his youth, breaking into the home of a young woman, Minnie, who is unable to hear or pronounce umlauted letters, and thus manages to shout the word "helicopter" rather than "cute robber" well before the vehicle was ever invented. Her cry is heard by none other than a young aerodynamics student. The word is taken as a prophesy and a warning of the helicopter's symbol of the police state, with armed officers hanging out the sides, aiming down at their targets.
My Doper's Cadenza
It begins with a serenade from Bodine, and then an exploration of the tenement building "Der Platz" that is home to numerous drug addicts, dope peddlers, and general ne'er-do-wells. They are building an anti-police moat around the building, entirely underground so as to avoid detection, saving breaking through the street for the end.
Shit 'n' Shinola
Another idiomatic diversion for Säure. A beautiful line is tucked away in here - "from outside, the Hall is golden, the white gold precisely of one lily-of-the-valley petal in 4 o'clock sunlight, serene, at the top of an artificially-graded hill." (687) This building, the Schein-Aula (Seeming-Hall), suggests "persistence, through returns of spring, hopes for love, melting snow and ice, academic Sunday tranquillities, smells of grass just crushed or cut or later turning to hay..." (688) Yet again, imagery of spring, of a return to life from the dead season of winter, of the cycle.
We return to the Roseland Ballroom, where shit 'n' Shinola do actually come together. "Shit, now, is the color white folks are afraid of. Shit is the presence of death, not some abstract-arty character with a scythe but the stiff and rotting corpse itself inside the whiteman's warm and private own asshole, which is getting pretty intimate. That's what that white toilet's for.... that white porcelain's the very emblem of Odorless and Official Death." (688) Here Pynchon cuts straight to the point - the almost pathological fear of death and its connections to fears of blackness, excrement. Shit, Death, and the Word. Edwin Treacle hit on this back on p. 276 when he tried to show his colleagues at the White Visitation "that their feelings about blackness were tied to feelings about shit, and feelings about shit to feelings about putrefaction and death." The cycle of life is too organic, too messy. Better to replace carbon with silicon, to hide shit with porcelain, to treat people with dark skin as "other" or sub-human to avoid acknowledging that their non-European, communal ways of life were, in fact, totally natural.
An Incident in the Transvestites' Toilet
Not King Kong, but a small, costumed ape comes up to Slothrop, who's wearing a Fay Wray dress while waiting in the bathroom for a still-unspecified message. We get a Miltonic blank-verse poem (thanks, Weissenburger!) about the movie King Kong, written in the voice of Anne Darrow (Fay Wray's character). It's honestly quite good - I love the line "in your own stone living space" - the internal rhyme there sounds really nice, and I like the riff on living stone / Livingston, both of which have popped up previously. In the poem, Darrow talks about when she was tied up, hung by the natives as an offering to "the night's one Shape to come" (689), echoing both Greta Erdman's scene in Alpdrücken and the Hanged Man card of the Tarot (willing sacrifice, sacrifice that prompts a return, a renewal of the cycle). Darrow says she prayed, "not for Jack," her suave costar, but for her director Carl Denham, "only him, with gun and camera... making the unreal reel / By shooting at it, one way or the other-" (689). Throughout GR, we've seen a film motif, and this really brings it home. The analogy of a gun to a camera, both of which make the unreal real (a camera creates films that interpret real life - the "unreal reel", a gun makes death, which we've blocked away and tried to avoid, real and inescapable). The director is in control of the movie, the actors, the story, of how it works and what is told. Darrow ends by asking Carl to "show me the key light, whisper me a line..." - a key light is used in cinema and photography to not just shed light on the subject, but to do so in a way that provides form and dimension to the subject and the scene. So Darrow is asking for the director to literally give her form and definition, to tell her what to say next.
This ape, though, isn't so Romantic as ol' Kong though, and is much more direct. It hands Slothrop an anarchist's bomb straight out of the comics pages, and takes off. Slothrop freezes and is saved by a helpful transvestite who takes the bomb and flushes it down the toilet. But it explodes anyway, sending geysers of water up out of all the toilets. A Voice comes out of he Loudspeaker informing everyone that it was, in fact, a sodium bomb that explodes upon contact with water. Tellls everyone to get the "dangerous maniac" who threw it. That was supposed to be Slothrop, but he was saved by his indecision and the kindness of a stranger, who is now set upon by the other occupants of the toilet.
A Moment of Fun with Takeshi and Ichizo, the Komical Kamikazes
We now jump to a pair of comically-mismatched Kamikaze pilots stationed on a remote island well away from any conflict. One flies a Zero, the other flies an "Ohka device" which is basically a rocket-bomb with a pilot's seat. They get moonshine from their radarman, Kenosho, who mocks them daily for the lack of opportunities to fly to their deaths and who comes up with haikus that, while in the right format, really miss the heart of what a haiku is supposed to be.
Streets
Back to Slothrop, now, and a catalogue of the streets he's traveled down and what he's seen. We get a meditation on the absurdity of army chaplains, who worked for the Army and "stood up and talked to the men who were going to die about God, death, nothingness, redemption, salvation." (693) And it does seem a bit absurd when you consider that the Army that employs the chaplains is the same entity sending the men off to die. We see a bus driver (perchance our maniac bus driver from earlier?) driving through town in the night, his passengers looking out the windows, their faces "drowned-man green, insomniac, tobacco-starved, scared, not of tomorrow, not yet, but of this pause in their night-passage, of how easy it will be to lose, and how much it will hurt..." (693) Going back to the Waste Land, the phrase "I do not find / The Hanged Man. Fear death by water." is symbolic of a death without return (drowning) contrasted to the sacrifice/return symbolized by The Hanged Man. These poor passengers, it seems, aren't to expect any return.
Slothrop also, at this point, learns of the bombing of Hiroshima from a discarded Army newspaper, the photo of the atomic blast placed in poor taste next to an image of a pin-up girl. The bomb's mushroom cloud is compared to the Cross, to a capital-T Tree. But which tree? Is this a meditation on the deadly, unforgettable knowledge of how to split the atom, or of the tree of life, with the citizens of Hiroshima as a sacrifice made... but to what? I'm honestly not sure. Would love your thoughts.
Listening to the Toilet
As others have noted, this book in many ways is about the drug counterculture and hippie movement of the 60s/early 70s. This is the most overt in this section, in which we learn that listening for the cessation of the flow of water to the toilet in the pipes is a cue that a police raid is imminent - shutting off the water being a way to prevent the flushing of illicit substances. But it takes a special ear to hear the cessation of a subtle, pervasive white noise. What if the sun, in fact, massive furnace that it is, emits a constant, low-level roar that is so incessant we don't even hear it? What if eddies in the current of the Soniferous Aether cause rare spots of true quiet, where the noise is no longer transmitted and anyone in that spot can hear their own heartbeat it's so quiet? Interestingly, there are "quiet rooms" designed to absorb nearly all sound, used for precise sound calibration. I remember reading that most people can't sit in one of those rooms for more than 30 minutes or so because it's literally so quiet that you can hear the blood flowing through your veins, and people have even reported auditory hallucinations as a result. But why this digression? Maybe because we need to be asking what other white noise is out there that we've become completely deaf to? I think Roger and Jessica found a pocket of this quiet, early in the book, where the "noise" of modern society and all its associated obligations was muted by the War.
Witty Repartee
A return to our Komical Kamikazes, and a meditation on the ubiquity of the Hotchkiss machine gun across nations, independent of alliances. We get an image of a false King - an inbred idiot lying naked in a dumpster, attracting the attention of potential revolutionaries. But they can't decide if he's "a diversionary nuisance planted here by the Management, or whether he's real Decadent Aristocracy to be held for real ransom" (698). While the would-be revolutionaries are debating in the alley, sentries with the aforementioned Hotchkiss guns take positions on the rooftops, aiming down...
Heart-to-Heart, Man-to-Man
A dialogue here between Slothrop and ol' Broderick, with dear old dad interrogating his wayward son about a modern electric drug. Slothrop reassures him that he'd never shoot raw electricity - no, they dope themselves with waves. Major pre-Cyberpunk vibes here, with Broderick warning "Suppose someday you just plug in and go away and never come back?" to which Tyrone replies, "What do you think every electrofreak dreams about? .... Maybe there is a Machine to take us away, take us completely, suck us out through the electrodes out of the skull 'n' into the Machine and live there forever.... We can live forever, in a clean, honest, purified Electroworld-" (699). Matrix, anyone? Not to mention the waves of radio, TV, etc. and the simple, episodic, controlled reality they offer. Pleasantville also comes to mind, with all its commentary on the shows of the era.
Some Characteristics of Imipolex G
We learn that Imipolex G is the first erectile plastic, stiffening in response to certain electronic stimuli. The potential of a layer of controlling wires just under the outer layer of Imipolex, making it a second skin - a synthetic interface. Alternately, there's the potential to control it via a projection of "an electronic 'image; analogous to a motion picture." (700)
My gods, I made it through this section...
Section 68
Tchitcherine now, dealing with a spook, Nikolai Ripov, from the Commissariat for Intelligence Activities. His pal Džabajev has run off with "two local derelicts" (700) and is impersonating Frank Sinatra and wooing the ladies of the Zone. We get the line, "While nobles are crying in their nights' chains, the squires sing. The terrible politics of the Grail can never touch them. Song is the magic cape." (701) - Seems another example of folks recognizing the game, the Grail quest, for what it was and checking out - deciding not to play and just enjoy themselves while the Elect lose sleep over the endless searching.
Ripov explains to Tchitcherine how "the basic problem... has always been getting other people to die for you." (701) Religion used to serve as an effective control for that reason - death isn't quite as scary if you think you're going to heaven. But modern society has moved on, and needs more secular sources of control, like a commitment to "History" as if you're part of some great narrative, sacrificing yourself for some imagined end-goal of what society is "supposed" to be.
Seems Tchitcherine was doping on Oneirine theophosphate. Wimpe, his dealer, argues that a man is "only real at the points of decision. The time between doesn't matter." (702) Points man again - the moment of decision, of choice, that splits the future in two. Points of control. Contrast that to:
"Datta: what have we given? / My friend, blood shaking my heart / The awful daring of a moment’s surrender / Which an age of prudence can never retract / By this, and this only, we have existed." (The Waste Land, Part V: What the Thunder Said - emphasis mine).
Both are arguing that it's these key moments, irreversible junctures in our lives that make us real. Not what comes next, not what people say about us, just our moments. Integrate those moments, run them fast enough (say 24 frames per second) and you might even approximate something close to a person...
We learn that Oneirine apparently leads to "the dullest hallucinations known to psychopharmacology" (703) - hauntings of the mundane, the almost-normal.
Tchitcherine's Haunting
Tchitcherine hallucinates that Ripov is interrogating him, and he becomes fixated on the question of whether or not he was supposed to die. Seems like part of him wants to believe in life after death, in some hope for meaning, which goes against the Soviet doctrine and thus isn't exactly endearing him to those above him. Thankfully this is just an Oneirine haunting, except... wait, it's too real - no subtle violations of reality. He tries to escape, but is outnumbered. But no execution for him here - just a reassignment to Central Asia. A cold and operational death.
Section 69
"The dearest nation of all is one that will survive no longer than you and I, a common movement at the mercy of death and time: the ad hoc adventure." - Resolutions of the Gross Suckling Conference (706)
In other words, they seek a nation that does not function independently of its citizens - one that is not some separate identity with a quasi-personhood (much like how corporations are legally "people"). Rather, a nation that is inextricably linked to the people and that will die when they do. No immortality, no denial of the cycle or death.
But poor Roger's still dealing with Jessica, and now with Jeremy, too, who he's at least amicable with. But he's struggling with their acceptance of the System, their embracing of it. Jeremy's all about reassembling the rockets and firing them, asking "What else does one do with a rocket?" (note how disassembling it or at least not using the weapon isn't even an option...).
Jeremy's even so kind as to invite Roger to a fancy dinner with a bunch of corporate bigwigs, including folks from Krupp, ICI, and GE, and hosted by one Stefan Utgarthaloki, whose name should be a giant red-flag that something's amiss with this shindig. Roger picks Seaman Bodine as his date, the two having struck up a rather theatrical friendship, dress in their absurdist best (Bodine in the mother of all zoot suits), and join the party.
We get some insight here into the nature of rebellions, and the danger of them not only fizzling out or failing, but of being co-opted as a tool to "help legitimize Them" (713). Of either dying or "living on as Their pet" - it brings to mind the corporate branding of "rebelliousness" as cool, as "a phase" that it's normal to go through and eventually grow up from. Treating the idealism of youth, the desire to make the world better and to fight against the problems of the system before you become numb to them, as a normal phase of life is such an effective way to neutralize it culturally. How many people have heard the phrase "you get conservative [i.e. more resistant to change] as you get older"? How many of us have seen youth-led movements being dismissed as examples of immaturity, for example? Between that and companies stamping their logo on it (hello, Hot Topic), it's a way to change the cultural narrative around any movement against the status quo to one that's dismissive, just accepting enough to let people burn off their energy and eventually fall into line. Because how else can you continue to live a decent life in a society that refuses to change? You either go build a shack in the woods somewhere, die, or acclimate to the system and just focus on being comfortable yourself, not constantly fighting for change. It's a depressing thought, and I'm sure Pynchon saw a lot of that attitude in the 60s. I have to wonder - do non-industrialized societies have "teenage rebellion" as a normal part of life? Is that a part of human nature, like we tend to think, or is it an explicit reaction to reaching maturity in a system that is anti-human and anti-nature?
Anyway, back to the dinner party - between the depressing, anti-social music (kazoos?!) and the lavish dinner, things seem fine, but there's a plot against the Roger and Bodine. Fortunately a journalist, Constance, tips off Bodine that they might just be the main course of this feast, so Bodine cues Roger to begin the evening show - an absurd gross-out session that they planned in advance with the aid of now-deceased Pudding communicating via medium Carroll Eventyr. The pair recite an increasingly disgusting list of alliterative dishes, triggering "well-bred gagging" and guests to flee, though a few find it all quite entertaining. But it's enough to break up the dinner party and allow our heroes to flee.
Note: If you made it this far, actually read all this, thank you. Bloom warned me this was a longer section, and boy, he wasn't kidding. I think this is longer than some college essays I wrote... Damn fun, though, and I hope you've found my thoughts informative, interesting, useful, or if nothing else, sufficiently diversionary for a spell. I truly look forward to seeing what you other fine foax have to say on these labrynthine sections.
Questions
  1. In the lightning-aficionado's "A Nickel Saved" excerpt, are there any other references or hidden ideas you can find? I have to think there are.
  2. What is the meaning of the windmill reflected in Blicero's eyes? How do you interpret the imagery in this scene in general?
  3. 175-Stadt. Oven-State. Hund-Stadt. Rocket-State. Factory-State. We've seen numerous examples of specialized micro-states across the Zone, experiments in different forms of society. What are your thoughts on these? Are they hints at ways to find alternate societies, or manifestations of humanity's tendency to divide by category and put of fences?
  4. In the "Shit 'n' Shinola" subsection, Pynchon connects Jack Kennedy, Malcolm X, and Tyrone Slothrop. What do you make of this intersection?
  5. In "Streets," the bombing of Hiroshima is presented as being similar to the Cross, "it is also, perhaps, a Tree..." - the capitalized "Tree" here could be the tree of knowledge, the tree of life, the tree from which the Hanged Man dangles, or perhaps something else. What's your interpretation of this imagery?
  6. In Section 69, we see references to the Albatross, famous symbol from The Rime of the Ancient Mariner. It's presented that Slothrop is the (now-plucked) albatross, but it's not clear who killed this bird, or who's wearing it around their neck. They? Any ideas?
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B1048 - Gender Recognition (Reform) Bill - Amendment Division

Gender Recognition (Reform) Bill

A
Bill
To
Reform the grounds and procedure in order to obtain gender recognition; and for connected purposes
BE IT ENACTED by the Queen's most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Lords, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:-
1 - Definitions:
The “2004 Act” refers to the Gender Recognition Act 2004.
The “2015 Acts” refers to the Gender Equality Act 2015 and the Gender Equality Enhancement Act 2015
2 - Amendments to the 2004 Act
(1)The following provisions of the 2004 Act are repealed—
(5) Where gender markings are required to denote gender identity in all official documentation including but not limited to Passports, Driving Licenses and correspondence from Government Departments, a non binary person shall be afforded the option to denote their legal gender identity an ‘x’, or as ‘non-binary’
and consequently the definitions of “Gender Dysphoria” and “approved country or territory” under Section 25 are repealed
(2) The following sections in the 2004 Act are amended—
and subsequently add “identity” after “acquired gender” in Section 10 (5) and Section 25
(2) “Protected Information” means information that relates to a person: (a) who has made an application for a gender recognition certificate and which concerns that application or any other application by that person under this Act. (b) whose gender identity, or lack thereof, has become the acquired gender identity and concerns the gender identity before it became the acquired gender identity.
(3) Insert a new section into the 2004 Act, reading:
2A - Applications to the Registrar General Schedule 3A (Applications to the Registrar General) has effect .
And Schedule 3A shall be implemented as per the schedule of this Act.
3 - Amendments to the 2015 Acts
Section 2 in the Gender Equality Act 2015 is repealed in its entirety, and consequently Section 2 of the Gender Equality Enhancement Act 2015 is repealed.
4 - Amendments to the Equality Act 2010
In Section 27 of Schedule 3, replace—
And insert subsection (9) reading, “A person using a service should be under no obligation to disclose their gender identity or be excluded from using a service based on their perceived gender identity, or lack thereof”
And insert subsection (a) after (9) reading, “any exclusion based on perceived gender identity, or lack thereof, or based on a person’s gender which has ceased to be the same as their acquired gender, shall be treated as discrimination based on gender identity.”
And rename the cross heading “Single Sex Spaces” to “Same Gender Identity Spaces”
5 - Extent, Commencement and Short Title
(1)This Section and Section 4 extends to England and Wales, and Scotland
(2) Section 1, Section 2, Section 3 and consequently the Schedule of this Act extends to England and Wales only.
(3)This Act comes into force 6 months after Royal Assent.
(4) This Act may be cited as the Gender Recognition (Reform) Act 2020.
#Schedule
Insert in the 2004 Act:
Schedule 3A - Applications to the Registrar General
1 - Interpretations
In this section, “Registrar General” shall refer to the Registrar General for England & Wales.
2 - Persons who may apply to the Registrar General for Gender Recognition
(1)A person making an application under Section 1 (1) of this Act may do so if they meet the condition that:
(a) is a subject of a UK birth registry entry or; (b) is not the subject of such an entry, but is an ordinary resident in England or Wales.
3 - Notice to be given by Registrar General upon receipt of application
(1)On receipt of an application under Section 1 (1) of this Act, the Registrar General must notify the applicant in writing, including electronic form: —
(a) that the application has been received (b) the date by which a Gender Recognition Certificate will be provided. (c)that the applicant has the right to revoke the Gender Recognition Certificate during the intermission period and is not limited to applying for a Gender Recognition Certificate again after this period. (d)reiterate that there is no cost for applying for a Gender Recognition Certificate in this instance or in future instances of application.
4 - Ground for which application is granted
(1)The Registrar General must grant application under section 1 (1) of this Act if—
(a) the application includes a statutory declaration by the applicant that the applicant meets the criteria of: (i) Section 1 of this Act (ii) Section 2 of this Schedule
(2) A statutory declaration shall be the only requirement by the Registrar General to process an application for a Gender Recognition Certificate
(a) An applicant may declare they intend to live in their acquired gender permanently but the absence of this must have no bearing on the processing of a Gender Recognition Certificate. (b) there shall be no charge for requesting a Gender Recognition Certificate at any instance of any application by an applicant.
(3)An application for a Gender Recognition Certificate is considered revoked if the applicant sends written notice stating their wish for the application to not continue before the day that a Gender Recognition Certificate is issued
5 - Certificate to be issued by the Registrar General
(1)The Registrar General must issue a Full Gender Recognition Certificate to an applicant by the date given under Section 3 (1) of this Schedule.
(2) If there is a delay in the issuing of the Gender Recognition Certificate, the Registrar General must inform the applicant, in writing, the reasons for such a delay.
(3) If there is an error in print, an applicant may, in writing, inform the Registrar General.
(a) The Registrar General must inform the applicant when the error will be fixed by, and issue a replacement Gender Recognition Certificate.
6 - Gender Recognition obtained outside of England & Wales
(1)When a person has obtained a Gender Recognition Certificate in Scotland or Northern Ireland, —
(a) the person has, for all purposes, received a Gender Recognition Certificate as issued by the Registrar General. (b) the person’s gender identity, or lack thereof, is the acquired gender identity
(2) When a person has obtained overseas gender recognition —
(a) the person has, for all purposes, received a Gender Recognition Certificate as issued by the Registrar General. (b) the person’s gender identity, or lack thereof, is the acquired gender identity
(3) in this Act, an “overseas gender recognition” means gender recognition recognised in a country or territory outside of the United Kingdom, which resulted in a person’s gender identity, or lack thereof, becoming the acquired gender identity.
This bill is written by The Rt Hon. Sir CountBrandenburg GCMG KCB CT CVO CBE PC MP MLA on behalf of the Liberal Democrats and co-sponsored by The Labour Party, The People’s Movement, Democratic Reformist Front and The Conservative and Unionist Party and inspired by the draft Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill
Acts referenced:
The Gender Recognition Act 2004
The Gender Equality Act 2015
The Gender Equality Enhancement Act 2015
The Gender Recognition (Amendment) Act 2018
Section 27 of Schedule 3 of the Equality Act 2010
The Equality (Amendment) Act 2020
Amendment 1, in the name of the Rt Hon. the Earl of Avon
remove from 2 - Amendments to the 2004 Act the following text;
"Section 2, except for (5) as amended —
(5) Where gender markings are required to denote gender identity in all official documentation including but not limited to Passports, Driving Licenses and correspondence from Government Departments, a non binary person shall be afforded the option to denote their legal gender identity an ‘x’, or as ‘non-binary’"
My Lords,
while the UK offers gender non confirming individuals the ability to place an "x" on any gender identity for internal UK use, it has so far resisted doing so for passports in order to keep them in line with the intentional standards for the content of a passport.
This was supported by the Court case R (Christie Elan-Cane) v Secretary of State for the Home Department
That not issuing such documents is not discriminatory on the part of the Home Office. The case rejected a claim that such a policy voided Article 8 ECHR was rejected in part due to the fact the government in this current age was reviewing what documentation for gender non conforming individuals required.
My Lords,
As part of this consultation the Passport office, it's self-put out a warning based on the experience of those in Australia with an "x" marker on the effect of outing Oneself to the authorities of less accepting countries, the implications of a British subject not having there passport recognised and thus not being facilitated the rights that One can normally expect abroad or worse facing expressed prosecution because of information in One's passport is something this house should consider.
It is for these reasons and not any other I wish for this chamber to debate in the next reading the inclusion of the aforementioned section in this Bill.
This division ends 30 July 2020 at 10pm BST.
Please vote Content, Not Content, or Present to Amendment 1.
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B1048 - Gender Recognition (Reform) Bill - Division

Gender Recognition (Reform) Bill

A
Bill
To
Reform the grounds and procedure in order to obtain gender recognition; and for connected purposes
BE IT ENACTED by the Queen's most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Lords, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:-
1 - Definitions:
The “2004 Act” refers to the Gender Recognition Act 2004.
The “2015 Acts” refers to the Gender Equality Act 2015 and the Gender Equality Enhancement Act 2015
2 - Amendments to the 2004 Act
(1)The following provisions of the 2004 Act are repealed—
(5) Where gender markings are required to denote gender identity in all official documentation including but not limited to Passports, Driving Licenses and correspondence from Government Departments, a non binary person shall be afforded the option to denote their legal gender identity an ‘x’, or as ‘non-binary’
and consequently the definitions of “Gender Dysphoria” and “approved country or territory” under Section 25 are repealed
(2) The following sections in the 2004 Act are amended—
and subsequently add “identity” after “acquired gender” in Section 10 (5) and Section 25
(2) “Protected Information” means information that relates to a person: (a) who has made an application for a gender recognition certificate and which concerns that application or any other application by that person under this Act. (b) whose gender identity, or lack thereof, has become the acquired gender identity and concerns the gender identity before it became the acquired gender identity.
(3) Insert a new section into the 2004 Act, reading:
2A - Applications to the Registrar General Schedule 3A (Applications to the Registrar General) has effect .
And Schedule 3A shall be implemented as per the schedule of this Act.
3 - Amendments to the 2015 Acts
Section 2 in the Gender Equality Act 2015 is repealed in its entirety, and consequently Section 2 of the Gender Equality Enhancement Act 2015 is repealed.
4 - Amendments to the Equality Act 2010
In Section 27 of Schedule 3, replace—
And insert subsection (9) reading, “A person using a service should be under no obligation to disclose their gender identity or be excluded from using a service based on their perceived gender identity, or lack thereof”
And insert subsection (a) after (9) reading, “any exclusion based on perceived gender identity, or lack thereof, or based on a person’s gender which has ceased to be the same as their acquired gender, shall be treated as discrimination based on gender identity.”
And rename the cross heading “Single Sex Spaces” to “Same Gender Identity Spaces”
5 - Extent, Commencement and Short Title
(1)This Section and Section 4 extends to England and Wales, and Scotland
(2) Section 1, Section 2, Section 3 and consequently the Schedule of this Act extends to England and Wales only.
(3)This Act comes into force 6 months after Royal Assent.
(4) This Act may be cited as the Gender Recognition (Reform) Act 2020.
#Schedule
Insert in the 2004 Act:
Schedule 3A - Applications to the Registrar General
1 - Interpretations
In this section, “Registrar General” shall refer to the Registrar General for England & Wales.
2 - Persons who may apply to the Registrar General for Gender Recognition
(1)A person making an application under Section 1 (1) of this Act may do so if they meet the condition that:
(a) is a subject of a UK birth registry entry or; (b) is not the subject of such an entry, but is an ordinary resident in England or Wales.
3 - Notice to be given by Registrar General upon receipt of application
(1)On receipt of an application under Section 1 (1) of this Act, the Registrar General must notify the applicant in writing, including electronic form: —
(a) that the application has been received (b) the date by which a Gender Recognition Certificate will be provided. (c)that the applicant has the right to revoke the Gender Recognition Certificate during the intermission period and is not limited to applying for a Gender Recognition Certificate again after this period. (d)reiterate that there is no cost for applying for a Gender Recognition Certificate in this instance or in future instances of application.
4 - Ground for which application is granted
(1)The Registrar General must grant application under section 1 (1) of this Act if—
(a) the application includes a statutory declaration by the applicant that the applicant meets the criteria of: (i) Section 1 of this Act (ii) Section 2 of this Schedule
(2) A statutory declaration shall be the only requirement by the Registrar General to process an application for a Gender Recognition Certificate
(a) An applicant may declare they intend to live in their acquired gender permanently but the absence of this must have no bearing on the processing of a Gender Recognition Certificate. (b) there shall be no charge for requesting a Gender Recognition Certificate at any instance of any application by an applicant.
(3)An application for a Gender Recognition Certificate is considered revoked if the applicant sends written notice stating their wish for the application to not continue before the day that a Gender Recognition Certificate is issued
5 - Certificate to be issued by the Registrar General
(1)The Registrar General must issue a Full Gender Recognition Certificate to an applicant by the date given under Section 3 (1) of this Schedule.
(2) If there is a delay in the issuing of the Gender Recognition Certificate, the Registrar General must inform the applicant, in writing, the reasons for such a delay.
(3) If there is an error in print, an applicant may, in writing, inform the Registrar General.
(a) The Registrar General must inform the applicant when the error will be fixed by, and issue a replacement Gender Recognition Certificate.
6 - Gender Recognition obtained outside of England & Wales
(1)When a person has obtained a Gender Recognition Certificate in Scotland or Northern Ireland, —
(a) the person has, for all purposes, received a Gender Recognition Certificate as issued by the Registrar General. (b) the person’s gender identity, or lack thereof, is the acquired gender identity
(2) When a person has obtained overseas gender recognition —
(a) the person has, for all purposes, received a Gender Recognition Certificate as issued by the Registrar General. (b) the person’s gender identity, or lack thereof, is the acquired gender identity
(3) in this Act, an “overseas gender recognition” means gender recognition recognised in a country or territory outside of the United Kingdom, which resulted in a person’s gender identity, or lack thereof, becoming the acquired gender identity.
This bill is written by The Rt Hon. Sir CountBrandenburg GCMG KCB CT CVO CBE PC MP MLA on behalf of the Liberal Democrats and co-sponsored by The Labour Party, The People’s Movement, Democratic Reformist Front and The Conservative and Unionist Party and inspired by the draft Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill
Acts referenced:
The Gender Recognition Act 2004
The Gender Equality Act 2015
The Gender Equality Enhancement Act 2015
The Gender Recognition (Amendment) Act 2018
Section 27 of Schedule 3 of the Equality Act 2010
The Equality (Amendment) Act 2020
Please vote Aye/No/Abstain only.
This division shall end on Friday 17th July at 10PM BST
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B1048 - Gender Recognition (Reform) Bill - Final Division

Amendment 1, in the name of the Earl of Avon, is not agreed to.
Division! Clear the bar.

Gender Recognition (Reform) Bill

A
Bill
To
Reform the grounds and procedure in order to obtain gender recognition; and for connected purposes
BE IT ENACTED by the Queen's most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Lords, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:-
1 - Definitions:
The “2004 Act” refers to the Gender Recognition Act 2004.
The “2015 Acts” refers to the Gender Equality Act 2015 and the Gender Equality Enhancement Act 2015
2 - Amendments to the 2004 Act
(1)The following provisions of the 2004 Act are repealed—
(5) Where gender markings are required to denote gender identity in all official documentation including but not limited to Passports, Driving Licenses and correspondence from Government Departments, a non binary person shall be afforded the option to denote their legal gender identity an ‘x’, or as ‘non-binary’
and consequently the definitions of “Gender Dysphoria” and “approved country or territory” under Section 25 are repealed
(2) The following sections in the 2004 Act are amended—
and subsequently add “identity” after “acquired gender” in Section 10 (5) and Section 25
(2) “Protected Information” means information that relates to a person: (a) who has made an application for a gender recognition certificate and which concerns that application or any other application by that person under this Act. (b) whose gender identity, or lack thereof, has become the acquired gender identity and concerns the gender identity before it became the acquired gender identity.
(3) Insert a new section into the 2004 Act, reading:
2A - Applications to the Registrar General Schedule 3A (Applications to the Registrar General) has effect .
And Schedule 3A shall be implemented as per the schedule of this Act.
3 - Amendments to the 2015 Acts
Section 2 in the Gender Equality Act 2015 is repealed in its entirety, and consequently Section 2 of the Gender Equality Enhancement Act 2015 is repealed.
4 - Amendments to the Equality Act 2010
In Section 27 of Schedule 3, replace—
And insert subsection (9) reading, “A person using a service should be under no obligation to disclose their gender identity or be excluded from using a service based on their perceived gender identity, or lack thereof”
And insert subsection (a) after (9) reading, “any exclusion based on perceived gender identity, or lack thereof, or based on a person’s gender which has ceased to be the same as their acquired gender, shall be treated as discrimination based on gender identity.”
And rename the cross heading “Single Sex Spaces” to “Same Gender Identity Spaces”
5 - Extent, Commencement and Short Title
(1)This Section and Section 4 extends to England and Wales, and Scotland
(2) Section 1, Section 2, Section 3 and consequently the Schedule of this Act extends to England and Wales only.
(3)This Act comes into force 6 months after Royal Assent.
(4) This Act may be cited as the Gender Recognition (Reform) Act 2020.
#Schedule
Insert in the 2004 Act:
Schedule 3A - Applications to the Registrar General
1 - Interpretations
In this section, “Registrar General” shall refer to the Registrar General for England & Wales.
2 - Persons who may apply to the Registrar General for Gender Recognition
(1)A person making an application under Section 1 (1) of this Act may do so if they meet the condition that:
(a) is a subject of a UK birth registry entry or; (b) is not the subject of such an entry, but is an ordinary resident in England or Wales.
3 - Notice to be given by Registrar General upon receipt of application
(1)On receipt of an application under Section 1 (1) of this Act, the Registrar General must notify the applicant in writing, including electronic form: —
(a) that the application has been received (b) the date by which a Gender Recognition Certificate will be provided. (c)that the applicant has the right to revoke the Gender Recognition Certificate during the intermission period and is not limited to applying for a Gender Recognition Certificate again after this period. (d)reiterate that there is no cost for applying for a Gender Recognition Certificate in this instance or in future instances of application.
4 - Ground for which application is granted
(1)The Registrar General must grant application under section 1 (1) of this Act if—
(a) the application includes a statutory declaration by the applicant that the applicant meets the criteria of: (i) Section 1 of this Act (ii) Section 2 of this Schedule
(2) A statutory declaration shall be the only requirement by the Registrar General to process an application for a Gender Recognition Certificate
(a) An applicant may declare they intend to live in their acquired gender permanently but the absence of this must have no bearing on the processing of a Gender Recognition Certificate. (b) there shall be no charge for requesting a Gender Recognition Certificate at any instance of any application by an applicant.
(3)An application for a Gender Recognition Certificate is considered revoked if the applicant sends written notice stating their wish for the application to not continue before the day that a Gender Recognition Certificate is issued
5 - Certificate to be issued by the Registrar General
(1)The Registrar General must issue a Full Gender Recognition Certificate to an applicant by the date given under Section 3 (1) of this Schedule.
(2) If there is a delay in the issuing of the Gender Recognition Certificate, the Registrar General must inform the applicant, in writing, the reasons for such a delay.
(3) If there is an error in print, an applicant may, in writing, inform the Registrar General.
(a) The Registrar General must inform the applicant when the error will be fixed by, and issue a replacement Gender Recognition Certificate.
6 - Gender Recognition obtained outside of England & Wales
(1)When a person has obtained a Gender Recognition Certificate in Scotland or Northern Ireland, —
(a) the person has, for all purposes, received a Gender Recognition Certificate as issued by the Registrar General. (b) the person’s gender identity, or lack thereof, is the acquired gender identity
(2) When a person has obtained overseas gender recognition —
(a) the person has, for all purposes, received a Gender Recognition Certificate as issued by the Registrar General. (b) the person’s gender identity, or lack thereof, is the acquired gender identity
(3) in this Act, an “overseas gender recognition” means gender recognition recognised in a country or territory outside of the United Kingdom, which resulted in a person’s gender identity, or lack thereof, becoming the acquired gender identity.
This bill is written by The Rt Hon. Sir CountBrandenburg GCMG KCB CT CVO CBE PC MP MLA on behalf of the Liberal Democrats and co-sponsored by The Labour Party, The People’s Movement, Democratic Reformist Front and The Conservative and Unionist Party and inspired by the draft Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill
Acts referenced:
The Gender Recognition Act 2004
The Gender Equality Act 2015
The Gender Equality Enhancement Act 2015
The Gender Recognition (Amendment) Act 2018
Section 27 of Schedule 3 of the Equality Act 2010
The Equality (Amendment) Act 2020
This division ends 1 August 2020 at 10pm BST.
Please vote Content, Not Content, or Present only.
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B1048 - Gender Recognition (Reform) Bill | 2nd Reading

Order, order!

Gender Recognition (Reform) Bill

A
Bill
To
Reform the grounds and procedure in order to obtain gender recognition; and for connected purposes
BE IT ENACTED by the Queen's most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Lords, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:-
1 - Definitions:
The “2004 Act” refers to the Gender Recognition Act 2004.
The “2015 Acts” refers to the Gender Equality Act 2015 and the Gender Equality Enhancement Act 2015
2 - Amendments to the 2004 Act
(1)The following provisions of the 2004 Act are repealed—
(5) Where gender markings are required to denote gender identity in all official documentation including but not limited to Passports, Driving Licenses and correspondence from Government Departments, a non binary person shall be afforded the option to denote their legal gender identity an ‘x’, or as ‘non-binary’
and consequently the definitions of “Gender Dysphoria” and “approved country or territory” under Section 25 are repealed
(2) The following sections in the 2004 Act are amended—
and subsequently add “identity” after “acquired gender” in Section 10 (5) and Section 25
(2) “Protected Information” means information that relates to a person:
(a) who has made an application for a gender recognition certificate and which concerns that application or any other application by that person under this Act.
(b) whose gender identity, or lack thereof, has become the acquired gender identity and concerns the gender identity before it became the acquired gender identity.
(3) Insert a new section into the 2004 Act, reading:
2A - Applications to the Registrar General
Schedule 3A (Applications to the Registrar General) has effect .
And Schedule 3A shall be implemented as per the schedule of this Act.
3 - Amendments to the 2015 Acts
Section 2 in the Gender Equality Act 2015 is repealed in its entirety, and consequently Section 2 of the Gender Equality Enhancement Act 2015 is repealed.
4 - Amendments to the Equality Act 2010
In Section 27 of Schedule 3, replace—
And insert subsection (9) reading, “A person using a service should be under no obligation to disclose their gender identity or be excluded from using a service based on their perceived gender identity, or lack thereof”
And insert subsection (a) after (9) reading, “any exclusion based on perceived gender identity, or lack thereof, or based on a person’s gender which has ceased to be the same as their acquired gender, shall be treated as discrimination based on gender identity.”
And rename the cross heading “Single Sex Spaces” to “Same Gender Identity Spaces”
5 - Extent, Commencement and Short Title
(1)This Section and Section 4 extends to England and Wales, and Scotland
(2) Section 1, Section 2, Section 3 and consequently the Schedule of this Act extends to England and Wales only.
(3)This Act comes into force 6 months after Royal Assent.
(4) This Act may be cited as the Gender Recognition (Reform) Act 2020.
#Schedule
Insert in the 2004 Act:
Schedule 3A - Applications to the Registrar General
1 - Interpretations
In this section, “Registrar General” shall refer to the Registrar General for England & Wales.
2 - Persons who may apply to the Registrar General for Gender Recognition
(1)A person making an application under Section 1 (1) of this Act may do so if they meet the condition that:
(a) is a subject of a UK birth registry entry or;
(b) is not the subject of such an entry, but is an ordinary resident in England or Wales.
3 - Notice to be given by Registrar General upon receipt of application
(1)On receipt of an application under Section 1 (1) of this Act, the Registrar General must notify the applicant in writing, including electronic form: —
(a) that the application has been received
(b) the date by which a Gender Recognition Certificate will be provided.
(c)that the applicant has the right to revoke the Gender Recognition Certificate during the intermission period and is not limited to applying for a Gender Recognition Certificate again after this period.
(d)reiterate that there is no cost for applying for a Gender Recognition Certificate in this instance or in future instances of application.
4 - Ground for which application is granted
(1)The Registrar General must grant application under section 1 (1) of this Act if—
(a) the application includes a statutory declaration by the applicant that the applicant meets the criteria of:
(i) Section 1 of this Act
(ii) Section 2 of this Schedule
(2) A statutory declaration shall be the only requirement by the Registrar General to process an application for a Gender Recognition Certificate
(a) An applicant may declare they intend to live in their acquired gender permanently but the absence of this must have no bearing on the processing of a Gender Recognition Certificate.
(b) there shall be no charge for requesting a Gender Recognition Certificate at any instance of any application by an applicant.
(3)An application for a Gender Recognition Certificate is considered revoked if the applicant sends written notice stating their wish for the application to not continue before the day that a Gender Recognition Certificate is issued
5 - Certificate to be issued by the Registrar General
(1)The Registrar General must issue a Full Gender Recognition Certificate to an applicant by the date given under Section 3 (1) of this Schedule.
(2) If there is a delay in the issuing of the Gender Recognition Certificate, the Registrar General must inform the applicant, in writing, the reasons for such a delay.
(3) If there is an error in print, an applicant may, in writing, inform the Registrar General.
(a) The Registrar General must inform the applicant when the error will be fixed by, and issue a replacement Gender Recognition Certificate.
6 - Gender Recognition obtained outside of England & Wales
(1)When a person has obtained a Gender Recognition Certificate in Scotland or Northern Ireland, —
(a) the person has, for all purposes, received a Gender Recognition Certificate as issued by the Registrar General.
(b) the person’s gender identity, or lack thereof, is the acquired gender identity
(2) When a person has obtained overseas gender recognition —
(a) the person has, for all purposes, received a Gender Recognition Certificate as issued by the Registrar General.
(b) the person’s gender identity, or lack thereof, is the acquired gender identity
(3) in this Act, an “overseas gender recognition” means gender recognition recognised in a country or territory outside of the United Kingdom, which resulted in a person’s gender identity, or lack thereof, becoming the acquired gender identity.
**This bill is written by The Rt Hon. Sir CountBrandenburg GCMG KCB CT CVO CBE PC MP MLA on behalf of the Liberal Democrats and co-sponsored by The Labour Party, The People’s Movement, Democratic Reformist Front and The Conservative and Unionist Party and inspired by the draft Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill*
Acts referenced:
The Gender Recognition Act 2004
The Gender Equality Act 2015
The Gender Equality Enhancement Act 2015
The Gender Recognition (Amendment) Act 2018
Section 27 of Schedule 3 of the Equality Act 2010
The Equality (Amendment) Act 2020
Opening Speech:
Mr Deputy Speaker,
Section 2 (1) removes references to the Gender Recognition Panel, and obsolete references to marriage, as well as fees and the implied effects to benefits. Also omitted are various definitions such as Gender Dysphoria in order to demedicalise Gender Recognition (since applications to Gender Recognition Panels can be intrusive and undermine the idea that Gender Dysphoria is not a prerequisite to being trans) This is the same reason Section 2 of the Gender Equality Act 2015 is being repealed, since to be issued a full gender recognition certificate, there is a requirement for a professional to sign off for it rather than self declaration by an applicant.
Section 2 (2) makes amendments to the 2004 act (M:along the lines of the Draft Scotland Bill from irl and amendments to Section 22 have been altered to reflect that we recognise non binary already.)
Section 3 reflects that thanks to the Chancellor’s bill last term, we have added gender identity to the equality act over “sex” and thus adjustments have been made to the chapter on single sex spaces to reflect gender identity and ensure that trans people cannot be denied access to relevant spaces in law, as has been practice in, for example, women’s hostels to be trans inclusive previously. This act provides an opportunity to clarify this part and ensure that denial of access to these services based on perceived gender identity is discrimination based on gender identity.
Section 4 amends Section 27 of Schedule 3 of the Equality Act 2010, since references for sex discrimination have already been replaced under the Equality (Amendment) Act 2020. This changes wording to refer to gender identity and ensures that people who are trans, or otherwise of a perceived gender identity, have access to these spaces and cannot be excluded.
The Schedule, as introduced under Section 2 (3), gives the new process for applying for a Gender Recognition Certificate, guaranteeing no fees may be levied, and that the only required part is a Statutory Declaration by an applicant. There is no reflection period as this would be an antithesis for self declaration and gives the only time frame as that is required to issue the certificate. There is a right to apply as many times and that someone in the period between application and issuing may revoke their application. It recognises gender recognition that occurs outside the UK and eliminates the need to reapply if you are a non citizen resident, as well
Mr Deputy Speaker,
I believe this to be an important bill for improving our attitude to equalities. Yes, the Gender Recognition Act 2004 was a landmark piece of legislation and a victory for recognition of trans people, but reform is sorely needed and previous attempts at reforms have only tinkered with the edges. Communists and the Radical Socialist Party tinkered with the requirements under the 2015 acts and relaxed the process so that any age can receive a GRC, and removed the 2 year period for evidence upon application. That I recognise as a major step, and the advances under the Greens’ 2018 amendment under the GRA to include non binary identities, rather than the “other” status as found in the 2015 acts is another major step in reform as we are now recognising that gender exists as a spectrum and that the axioms of the binary are not fit for our modern understanding of one’s gender.
However, these acts upheld the burdensome gender recognition panel requirements, requiring someone to be going through transition or for it to be professionally certified. As we now better understand gender, Dysphoria is not a prerequisite for someone to be trans and requiring a professional diagnosis means that it makes legal recognition of a person’s gender a hurdle. That is ultimately where acts gone by have fallen short, where trans people may not experience Dysphoria or may, for whatever reason, not want to medically transition. That right for recognition must be upheld, and we only need to look to Ireland to see example of recognition in a demedicalised process in its Gender Recognition Act 2015. That is what this bill today achieves: the principle of self identification, and that the only legal requirement for someone to receive a GRC is for them to make a Statutory Declaration, a process we already use for changing information on other government identification documents.
This bill only amends Gender Recognition for England and Wales, the reforms for Scotland and Northern Ireland should seek to produce their own legislation on this matter as pertaining to the Registrar General for their respective nations, and take into account any differences in equalities law. This is my reasoning in drafting today’s bill to extend only for England and Wales.
With the nature of this bill, I have sought cross party sponsorship of this bill to signify that this House does stand with the trans community and that we reaffirm that trans rights are universal. I thank the parties who have co-sponsored and for giving me feedback on this bill’s drafting, and this strengthens the nature of it being reforms that transcends party lines. I hope to see members from all backgrounds in this House join me in passing this legislation!
  • CountBrandenburg.
This reading ends at 10pm on 13 July 2020.
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B1048 - Gender Recognition (Reform) Bill - Amendment Reading

Gender Recognition (Reform) Bill

A
Bill
To
Reform the grounds and procedure in order to obtain gender recognition; and for connected purposes
BE IT ENACTED by the Queen's most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Lords, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:-
1 - Definitions:
The “2004 Act” refers to the Gender Recognition Act 2004.
The “2015 Acts” refers to the Gender Equality Act 2015 and the Gender Equality Enhancement Act 2015
2 - Amendments to the 2004 Act
(1)The following provisions of the 2004 Act are repealed—
(5) Where gender markings are required to denote gender identity in all official documentation including but not limited to Passports, Driving Licenses and correspondence from Government Departments, a non binary person shall be afforded the option to denote their legal gender identity an ‘x’, or as ‘non-binary’
and consequently the definitions of “Gender Dysphoria” and “approved country or territory” under Section 25 are repealed
(2) The following sections in the 2004 Act are amended—
and subsequently add “identity” after “acquired gender” in Section 10 (5) and Section 25
(2) “Protected Information” means information that relates to a person: (a) who has made an application for a gender recognition certificate and which concerns that application or any other application by that person under this Act. (b) whose gender identity, or lack thereof, has become the acquired gender identity and concerns the gender identity before it became the acquired gender identity.
(3) Insert a new section into the 2004 Act, reading:
2A - Applications to the Registrar General Schedule 3A (Applications to the Registrar General) has effect .
And Schedule 3A shall be implemented as per the schedule of this Act.
3 - Amendments to the 2015 Acts
Section 2 in the Gender Equality Act 2015 is repealed in its entirety, and consequently Section 2 of the Gender Equality Enhancement Act 2015 is repealed.
4 - Amendments to the Equality Act 2010
In Section 27 of Schedule 3, replace—
And insert subsection (9) reading, “A person using a service should be under no obligation to disclose their gender identity or be excluded from using a service based on their perceived gender identity, or lack thereof”
And insert subsection (a) after (9) reading, “any exclusion based on perceived gender identity, or lack thereof, or based on a person’s gender which has ceased to be the same as their acquired gender, shall be treated as discrimination based on gender identity.”
And rename the cross heading “Single Sex Spaces” to “Same Gender Identity Spaces”
5 - Extent, Commencement and Short Title
(1)This Section and Section 4 extends to England and Wales, and Scotland
(2) Section 1, Section 2, Section 3 and consequently the Schedule of this Act extends to England and Wales only.
(3)This Act comes into force 6 months after Royal Assent.
(4) This Act may be cited as the Gender Recognition (Reform) Act 2020.
#Schedule
Insert in the 2004 Act:
Schedule 3A - Applications to the Registrar General
1 - Interpretations
In this section, “Registrar General” shall refer to the Registrar General for England & Wales.
2 - Persons who may apply to the Registrar General for Gender Recognition
(1)A person making an application under Section 1 (1) of this Act may do so if they meet the condition that:
(a) is a subject of a UK birth registry entry or; (b) is not the subject of such an entry, but is an ordinary resident in England or Wales.
3 - Notice to be given by Registrar General upon receipt of application
(1)On receipt of an application under Section 1 (1) of this Act, the Registrar General must notify the applicant in writing, including electronic form: —
(a) that the application has been received (b) the date by which a Gender Recognition Certificate will be provided. (c)that the applicant has the right to revoke the Gender Recognition Certificate during the intermission period and is not limited to applying for a Gender Recognition Certificate again after this period. (d)reiterate that there is no cost for applying for a Gender Recognition Certificate in this instance or in future instances of application.
4 - Ground for which application is granted
(1)The Registrar General must grant application under section 1 (1) of this Act if—
(a) the application includes a statutory declaration by the applicant that the applicant meets the criteria of: (i) Section 1 of this Act (ii) Section 2 of this Schedule
(2) A statutory declaration shall be the only requirement by the Registrar General to process an application for a Gender Recognition Certificate
(a) An applicant may declare they intend to live in their acquired gender permanently but the absence of this must have no bearing on the processing of a Gender Recognition Certificate. (b) there shall be no charge for requesting a Gender Recognition Certificate at any instance of any application by an applicant.
(3)An application for a Gender Recognition Certificate is considered revoked if the applicant sends written notice stating their wish for the application to not continue before the day that a Gender Recognition Certificate is issued
5 - Certificate to be issued by the Registrar General
(1)The Registrar General must issue a Full Gender Recognition Certificate to an applicant by the date given under Section 3 (1) of this Schedule.
(2) If there is a delay in the issuing of the Gender Recognition Certificate, the Registrar General must inform the applicant, in writing, the reasons for such a delay.
(3) If there is an error in print, an applicant may, in writing, inform the Registrar General.
(a) The Registrar General must inform the applicant when the error will be fixed by, and issue a replacement Gender Recognition Certificate.
6 - Gender Recognition obtained outside of England & Wales
(1)When a person has obtained a Gender Recognition Certificate in Scotland or Northern Ireland, —
(a) the person has, for all purposes, received a Gender Recognition Certificate as issued by the Registrar General. (b) the person’s gender identity, or lack thereof, is the acquired gender identity
(2) When a person has obtained overseas gender recognition —
(a) the person has, for all purposes, received a Gender Recognition Certificate as issued by the Registrar General. (b) the person’s gender identity, or lack thereof, is the acquired gender identity
(3) in this Act, an “overseas gender recognition” means gender recognition recognised in a country or territory outside of the United Kingdom, which resulted in a person’s gender identity, or lack thereof, becoming the acquired gender identity.
This bill is written by The Rt Hon. Sir CountBrandenburg GCMG KCB CT CVO CBE PC MP MLA on behalf of the Liberal Democrats and co-sponsored by The Labour Party, The People’s Movement, Democratic Reformist Front and The Conservative and Unionist Party and inspired by the draft Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill
Acts referenced:
The Gender Recognition Act 2004
The Gender Equality Act 2015
The Gender Equality Enhancement Act 2015
The Gender Recognition (Amendment) Act 2018
Section 27 of Schedule 3 of the Equality Act 2010
The Equality (Amendment) Act 2020
Amendment 1, in the name of the Rt Hon. the Earl of Avon
remove from 2 - Amendments to the 2004 Act the following text;
"Section 2, except for (5) as amended —
(5) Where gender markings are required to denote gender identity in all official documentation including but not limited to Passports, Driving Licenses and correspondence from Government Departments, a non binary person shall be afforded the option to denote their legal gender identity an ‘x’, or as ‘non-binary’"
My Lords,
while the UK offers gender non confirming individuals the ability to place an "x" on any gender identity for internal UK use, it has so far resisted doing so for passports in order to keep them in line with the intentional standards for the content of a passport.
This was supported by the Court case R (Christie Elan-Cane) v Secretary of State for the Home Department
That not issuing such documents is not discriminatory on the part of the Home Office. The case rejected a claim that such a policy voided Article 8 ECHR was rejected in part due to the fact the government in this current age was reviewing what documentation for gender non conforming individuals required.
My Lords,
As part of this consultation the Passport office, it's self-put out a warning based on the experience of those in Australia with an "x" marker on the effect of outing Oneself to the authorities of less accepting countries, the implications of a British subject not having there passport recognised and thus not being facilitated the rights that One can normally expect abroad or worse facing expressed prosecution because of information in One's passport is something this house should consider.
It is for these reasons and not any other I wish for this chamber to debate in the next reading the inclusion of the aforementioned section in this Bill.
This debate ends 28 July 2020 at 10pm BST.
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Results of First Official /r/Chihayafuru Survey

On May 3rd, 2020, a survey was conducted on /Chihayafuru. This was the first official survey held in the community, the results of which can be found here.
A total of 173 people responded over the 10 days this survey was open.
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Demographics

Age Demographics

Age Range Percentage (Number)
25-34 years old 38.4% (66)
20-24 years old 34.9% (60)
17-19 years old 16.9% (29)
35+ years old 5.8% (10)
12-16 years old 3.5% (6)
Under 12 years old 0.6% (1)
A total of 172 people responded to this question. The results are surprising, to say the least. The median age trends much higher than that of other anime communities with most people being in their 20's and 30's. We have a decent number of teenagers but most people here are adults.

Gender Demographics

Gender Percentage (Number)
Male 56.6% (98)
Female 41% (71)
Prefer not to say 1.2% (2)
Non-binary 0.6% (1)
Agender 0.6% (1)
All survey respondents answered this question. The male majority was expected since reddit is predominantly male. Still, the somewhat balanced demographics are refreshing to see considering most communities are far more skewed towards male (/anime is 85%+ male for instance) although our numbers may be lower.

Country Demographics

Country Percentage (Number)
United States 38.8% (64)
India 6.7% (11)
Philippines 6.1% (10)
United Kingdom 5.5% (9)
Canada 5.5% (9)
Germany 3% (5)
Brazil 3% (5)
Australia 3% (5)
France 1.8% (3)
Sweden 1.8% (3)
Norway 1.8% (3)
Malaysia 1.8% (3)
Other 21.2% (35)
165 people answered this question. There's an even split between NA and other timezones. Roughly half the community lives in NA while the other half is divided between other regions. A surprising amount of people come from SEA regions.

Chihayafuru Related

When did you first get into Chihayafuru?

Answer Percentage (Number)
Between 2013 and 2018 (before Season 3 announcement) 38.2% (66)
Between 2018 and 2019 (before Season 3 aired but after it was announced) 16.8% (29)
Around/before Season 1 started airing in 2011 12.7% (22)
While Season 3 was airing 12.1% (21)
After Season 3 had ended 12.1% (21)
Between 2011 and 2013 (before Season 2 aired) 4.6% (8)
While Season 2 was airing in 2013 3.5% (6)
All survey respondents answered this question. Considering that 72.8% of our users have been watching anime for longer than 5 years, it makes sense that many of them would get into it so early considering its status as a sleeper hit and older fans' willingness to check out less mainstream anime. Many people seem to have picked it up after the Season 3 announcement, likely owing to seasonal culture becoming more widely adopted. Overall, we seem to have quite the mix of veteran and new fans.

Which of these made you watch Chihayafuru?

Answer Number
I watched it without much outside influence 70
Fan response/discussion on /anime or other forums 33
The MyAnimeList score 31
That one ProZD Video 29
Recommendation/Gift from friends/others 25
Anime Youtubers/AniTube in general 12
Ads and Promotions on Streaming Services 7
170 people answered this question. It was the first question where you could write-in an answer. Most write-in answers were grouped together since many people mentioned various blogs/websites which were grouped into "fan response" while people who found it on their own regardless of why they were looking for it were grouped into "watched without much outside influence." As a result, that answer dominates because as Chihayafuru isn't a major topic in other online communities, many people end up discovering it on their own whether they're looking for sports, josei or romance.

How have you watched the Chihayafuru anime?

Answer Percentage (Number)
Illegal streaming/torrenting/sailing the high seas 59% (98)
Legal streaming 55.4% (92)
Physical BDs/DVDs 4.2% (7)
166 people answered this question. More than half have streamed Chihayafuru legally although many of them have pirated it on occasion. Only 7 people own the physical BDs/DVDs.

Which of these translations do you prefer for the Chihayafuru anime?

Answer Percentage (Number)
I don't favour one or the other 50.9% (83)
Official Translation 31.3% (51)
Fan translation by Commie 17.2% (28)
Other 0.6% (1)
163 people answered this question. Aside from people that don't favour either translation, it's strange that so many prefer the official translation when Commie goes above and beyond with typesetting, translating signs and karaoke. Either way, it seems like people have issues with Commie's work or they have not checked it out and prefer the translation on Crunchyroll.

Which season of Chihayafuru is your favourite?

Answer Percentage (Number)
I don't have a favourite 29.1% (50)
Season 3 27.3% (47)
Season 2 22.1% (38)
Season 1 12.2% (21)
My favourite season is still unadapted 9.3% (16)
172 people answered this question. With Chihayafuru being a single narrative that isn't traditionally divided into arcs, it's natural that a large percentage of people don't have a favourite. Season 3 appears to be the most-well liked season and there's yet a considerable number of people that are more interested in unadapted events.

Which Chihayafuru anime OP is your favourite? (Please consider both song and visuals)

Answer Percentage (Number)
YOUTHFUL 45.9% (79)
I don't have a favourite 20.3% (35)
COLORFUL 19.2% (33)
STAR 14.5% (25)
172 people responded to this question. YOUTHFUL seems to be the most beloved OP. It's often considered synonymous with the series and repeated quite often which is common in sports anime. A large number of people don't seem to have a favourite OP while the rest are in much closer contention with each other.

Which Chihayafuru anime ED is your favourite? (Please consider both song and visuals)

Answer Percentage (Number)
I don't have a favourite 33.3% (57)
Hitomebore 31.6% (54)
Soshite Ima 21.1% (36)
Akanezora 14% (24)
171 people responded to this question. People seem to be more indifferent towards Chihayafuru EDs compared to OPs which does make sense because a lot of anime fans do skip EDs. This could be a poll option in the future. Season 3 ED seems to be the most favoured one with Season 1 ED only just behind. No overwhelming majority for any option in this case.

Do you read the Chihayafuru manga? If so, how?

Answer Percentage (Number)
I exclusively read for free on manga aggregate sites/sail the high seas 48.8% (82)
I am an anime-only 31.5% (53)
I buy the volumes legally but read ahead of the official translation via other means 16.7% (28)
I buy the volumes but don't read scanlations 3% (5)
168 people responded to this question. We clearly have more manga readers here than anime-onlies and a considerable number of people seem to buy the volumes even though they read the scanlations.

Have you watched the Chihayafuru live action movies?

Answer Percentage (Number)
No 73.3% (126)
Yes 14.5% (25)
Only some of them 12.2% (21)
172 people answered this question. Quite an overwhelming number of people haven't seen them while a fair few haven't seen all of them. People seem to be largely indifferent about the live-action medium but the movies aren't exactly known for their quality so maybe it's better this way.

Who is your favourite Chihayafuru character?

Answer Percentage (Number)
Mashima Taichi 43.9% (75)
Ayase Chihaya 20.5% (35)
Wataya Arata 11.1% (19)
Wakamiya Shinobu 8.2% (14)
Ooe Kanade 4.7% (8)
Harada Hideo 3.5% (6)
Suo Hisashi 1.8% (3)
Sudo Akito 1.8% (3)
Nishida Yusei 1.2% (2)
Hanano Sumire 1.2% (2)
Yamashiro Rion 1.2% (2)
Sakurazawa Midori 0.6% (1)
Inokuma Haruka 0.6% (1)
Komano Tsutomu 0% (0)
Tsukuba Akihiro 0% (0)
Kinashi Hiro (Retro) 0% (0)
Other 0% (0)
171 people answered this question. Taichi seems to be the favourite for roughly half the subreddit while Chihaya and Arata seem to have a lot of support. For side characters, Shinobu and Harada perform well for their limited screentime. On the bottom, you have the unloved who received 0 votes although one of them really does deserve it.

Do you ship characters in Chihayafuru? If so, which ones?

Answer Percentage (Number)
Chihaya x Taichi 47.4% (82)
Chihaya x Arata 30.1% (52)
Kana x Tsutomu 28.9% (50)
I don't ship characters 22.1% (38)
Chihaya x Taichi x Arata 3.6% (6)
Shinobu x Arata 3% (5)
Chihaya x Shinobu 2.4% (4)
Sumire x Taichi 1.2% (2)
Chihaya x Sudo 1.2% (2)
Taichi x Shinobu 0.6% (1)
Arata x Taichi 0.6% (1)
Shinobu x Suo 0.6% (1)
Sudo x Taichi 0.6% (1)
All survey respondents answered this question. That was an absolutely clusterfuck to figure out with all the weird answers I got. All the Character x Happiness answers were grouped into I don't ship characters and most ships that made sense are listed out here. I expected more people to not ship characters but it seems that the top 3 ships are significantly more popular than staying neutral.

Which medium do you prefer for Chihayafuru?

Answer Percentage (Number)
Anime 81.4% (140)
Manga 18.6% (32)
Live Action 0% (0)
172 respondents answered this question. Anime seems to be the preferred medium for most people. This is by far the most overwhelming majority for any one response throughout the whole survey meaning people are really satisfied with Morio Asaka's work on the Chihayafuru anime. On the other hand, there isn't a single soul that prefers live action despite a considerable amount having seen those films.

Is Chihayafuru your favourite anime/manga?

Answer Percentage (Number)
It's definitely up there 72.3% (125)
Yes, it's the best 16.8% (29)
I've seen better 7.5% (13)
The anime is in my favourites (not the manga) 2.3% (4)
The manga is in my favourites (not the anime) 1.2% (2)
All survey respondents answered this question. Unlike more mainstream anime communities, there isn't an overwhelming number that has Chihayafuru as their favourite anime ever even if the vast majority has it among their favourites. It speaks more to the community's maturity as anime fans rather than a lack of dedication when you consider that Chihayafuru fans are likelier to be willing to try out a more diverse array of shows.

How would you rate Chihayafuru on a 1-5 scale?

Answer Percentage (Number)
5 65.3% (113)
4 33.5% (58)
3 1.2% (2)
2 0% (0)
1 0% (0)
All survey respondents answered this question. Most people seem to have it at a perfect score while a fair few rate the series closer to perfect. Pretty much expected results all around.

How much Chihayafuru merch do you own?

Answer Percentage (Number)
None 80.1% (136)
Physical manga volumes 11.8% (20)
Karuta cards 11.2% (19)
Soundtracks or OP/ED singles 4.7% (8)
BDs/DVDs 4.7% (8)
Storyboards/Lineart/Official Art 0.6% (1)
Other merch 3.6% (7)
170 people answered this question. The lack of availability for merch is quite evident but some people haven't let that stop them.

What are your opinions on the Chihayafuru fanbase?

Answer Percentage (Number)
Minor gripes aside, I love most aspects of the fanbase 49.1% (78)
It has its problems but so does every fanbase 28.9% (49)
I love the fanbase unconditionally 20.1% (32)
The fanbase is worse/more toxic than others 1.9% (3)
159 people answered this question. Most people seem to acknowledge that parts of the fanbase has problems. However, most fanbases do and they're still happy to be a part of it. Some do love it unconditionally and very few seem to think it's overly toxic. Overall, a really mature response.

Other anime and manga

How many total anime have you completed to date?

Answer Percentage (Number)
100-250 30.4% (52)
50-100 25.1% (43)
250-500 17.5% (30)
Less than 50 13.5% (23)
500-1000 7.6% (13)
1000+ 2.9% (5)
I don't know/don't watch anime 2.9% (5)
171 people responded to this question. It's a bit surprising to see that most people's numbers aren't super high considering the relatively high mean age and Chihayafuru's more niche status. Still, give it a year and a lot of these numbers could crank up during the COVID pandemic.

How many total manga have you completed to date?

Answer Percentage (Number)
Less than 50 59.1% (101)
50-100 17.5% (30)
100-250 7% (12)
250-500 7% (12)
I don't know/don't read manga 4.7% (8)
500-1000 2.9% (5)
1000+ 1.8% (3)
171 people answered this question. It's pretty evident that people read manga a lot less than they watch anime here. Still a lot of people that have read a lot despite the nature of a lot of manga to publish for many years.

How long have you been watching anime/reading manga?

Answer Percentage (Number)
10 to 20 years 34.7% (60)
5 to 10 years 31.8% (55)
2 to 4 years 22% (38)
20+ years 6.4% (11)
Only for a year 4% (7)
I only started a few months ago 1.2% (2)
All survey respondents answered this question. Most people are older anime fans despite not having very high numbers as I pointed out earlier. Very few people seem to have started watching recently. It is rather bleak prospects as a lot of newer anime fans seem to be less willing to step outside of their comfort zone and discover shows like Chihayafuru. We can only hope this changes as time passes.

Which of the following are you particular about?

Answer Percentage (Number)
I am willing to watch any anime regardless of age and popularity 79.9% (135)
I do not watch anything from the 90's or earlier 9.5% (16)
I do not watch anime from the 80's or earlier 7.7% (13)
I only watch very recent popular anime 1.2% (2)
I only watch anime seasonally 1.2% (2)
I do not watch anything made before the 2010's 0.6% (1)
169 people answered this question. As overwhelming as the response is for most people being willing to watch anything, it's still strange to see a considerable number still refuse to watch oldeless popular anime despite being fans of a less popular show that will inevitably fall off the radar of newer anime fans. Y'all need some Cardcaptor Sakura, Utena and LoGH in your lives.

Which of these mediums do you actively consume?

Answer Percentage (Number)
Anime 95.9% (164)
Manga 68.4% (117)
Live action TV/Movies 23.4% (40)
Light Novels 21.6% (37)
Visual Novels 14.6% (25)
171 people answered this question. Very high interest rates for anime and manga aside, live action TV and movies are more preferred to LNs and VNs despite both being a part of the animanga-sphere.

Do you consume shoujo and josei media?

Answer Percentage (Number)
I like a lot of shoujo classics 58.1% (97)
I like prominent josei anime 39.5% (66)
Chihayafuru is the only shoujo/josei anime I like 22.2% (37)
167 people answered this question. Over half the respondents love their shoujo classics and a fair few are into josei as well while a lot of them go out of their way to read shoujo and josei manga. Fairly nice results considering the larger anime community's indifference to media that falls under these demographics.

Do you like sports anime/manga other than Chihayafuru?

Answer Percentage (Number)
I only watch sports anime if they look good/are critically acclaimed 40% (68)
I actively consume a lot of sports anime/manga 38.8% (66)
Chihayafuru is the only sports anime/manga I like 12.4% (21)
I only like Haikyu!! and Chihayafuru 8.2% (14)
I only watch anime featuring sports I've played 0.6% (1)
170 people answered this question. Considering that sports anime are largely ignored by the larger anime community and Haikyu!! is often considered the 'exception', it's good to see that mindset isn't incredibly prevalent here (although it could be less prevalent yet). I'd kinda like to poll people on their favourite sports anime and make a recommendation wiki entry on that too at some point.

Which shoujo and josei anime/manga would you recommend to Chihayafuru fans?

We had 59 responses for this question. I have created a shoujo and josei recommendation wiki based on these responses. The cutoff was 2 votes. Some suggested entries that weren't shoujo or josei were excluded from the wiki.

Shoujo and Josei Recommendation Wiki

What are your favourite anime and manga aside from Chihayafuru?

We had 117 responses for this question. Similar to the shoujo and josei wiki, I have created a general recommendation wiki for the responses to this question. Unlike the shoujo and josei wiki, the cutoff here was 4 votes to keep the number of entries down.

General Anime/Manga Recommendation Wiki

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